Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12) x

Thread Closed
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

Philco 16B Dial Warped - Any Fix?
#1

The dial on my Philco 16B cathedral is warped. Mark Oppat says likely due to shrinkage. Unfortunately, Mark is sold out of that dial and cannot obtain the raw materials needed to make more. So I must at least attempt to straighten the dial I have. Any clues as to how to proceed? I prefer NOT to destroy what I have. I assume that I first drill out the rivets holding the dial scale to the metal hub. Then apply heat (heat gun, slow oven???). Then clamp between two pieces of MDF or other flat material, perhaps with waxed paper between the dial and clamping material.

I do have a 16B tombstone with a good dial, for reference.

Has anyone tried this? Any suggestions? Thanks!


Attached Files Image(s)
       
#2

I have a spare 16B dial that came with a parts chassis. It's in fair shape. I'd be happy to send it to you.
#3

If the spare dial doesn't work out you may want to google how the vinyl guys fix warped LP's. Something about low temps in the oven between two sheets of glass and letting it cool slowly overnight.

Good luck,

Mike

Cossor 3468
GE 417A
Philco 118H
Radiola 17/100
Scott 800B6
Silvertone 6130
Stromberg 535M
Truetone D1952

#4

Hi DaveMC,

I've tried something similar with warped plastics and vinyl, both of which are much more forgiving substances.
I suspect your dial is celluloid? If so, it would need a much more delicate touch. Real celluloid is flammable.

Most of the techniques I've seen involve a very gradual and slow heating of the celluloid to avoid any possible cracking or undo pressure. Hot steam, low oven and a clothes iron all seem to be possible tools.

Some dangers are:
• More shrinkage due to excessive heat
• Losing the printed dial numbers (rubbing or transfer - again, heat related)

Here are two possible methods you can consider:
Using Steam / Heated Wood
"Straightening Warped Triangles (Drafting Celluloid)" - From Popular Science - Feb. 1926
http://books.google.com/books?id=4SgDAAA...&q&f=false

Using a clothes iron and stiff paper:
From a UK-based Radio Forum - "Warped Celluloid Tuning Dials"
http://www.vintage-radio.net/forum/showt...php?t=9881

I have never tried any of these suggestions on celluloid myself. Seems like a pretty delicate operation, at best.

Hope these links at least give you some help in deciding what you feel comfortable attempting. Good luck!

Michael (mbhdesign)

mbhdesign
Michael Hennessey
#5

Thanks to all for the links. Several look promising. I assume that I must obviously remove the dial from the metal hub by drilling out the rivets. And I assume the dial is initially flat and gets its curved shape from the metal hub. Mark Oppat said that his reproduction dials are made from .020 ga paper phenolic (of course, the originals could have been something else). What I have read so far: BE VERY GENTLE!




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
Model 70 Cabinet Trim
Hello musar, First all welcome to the forum and yes that is true that steve stopped making trim . Sincerely Richar...radiorich — 12:13 AM
Model 70 Cabinet Trim
I have recently come into possession of a Model 70.  The trim around the base needs to be replaced.  If this were years ...musar — 12:07 AM
philcorepairbench.com - shadow-meter
Anyone know of a way to recover these files from the repair bench? Thanks. fenbach — 11:16 PM
Philco model 38 code 121 not receiving signal.
That's true. Of course If I were to get a vtvm I'd probably have to sink money in to it to get it working right. Probabl...Stormlord5500 — 08:44 PM
Philco model 38 code 121 not receiving signal.
A DMM is good enough. One rarely has to measure indictance, but if you do, short of getting a serious LCR meter (I hav...morzh — 07:35 PM
Testing a speaker and output transformer Trutone A2-G
You guy's are right on. I found a broken wire on the speaker plug that I replaced and all is well now. Have better volu...murf — 03:43 PM
Philco model 38 code 121 not receiving signal.
I need to get a vtvm. I think that little component tester is just more accurate. Plus it shows the inductance which is ...Stormlord5500 — 03:07 PM
Philco model 38 code 121 not receiving signal.
I use a pair of Mastercraft brand DMMs from Canadian Tire, from what I read most of those DMMs use the same main chip re...Arran — 02:36 PM
Philco model 38 code 121 not receiving signal.
Thank you sir. Yes I feel good and also relieved because this one's been weighing on me a bit.Stormlord5500 — 11:18 AM
Philco model 38 code 121 not receiving signal.
It feels good don't it? Good luck on the rest.Paul Philco322 — 11:06 AM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 2358 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 2357 Guest(s)
Avatar

>