Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12, 2025) x

Thread Closed

Philco 90 - Extra Paper Caps?
#1

Hi all,

When I was restoring my Philco 90 (single 47 output tube) chassis, I found three paper capacitors which are not shown on the schematic or in the Philco drawings. See the circled caps in the photo below.

[Image: http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q136/...hLight.jpg]

Two of them are Philco brand and the third is some off brand. All are .05uf. From what I can tell, they seem to be in parallel with caps that are in the bakelite blocks, drawings #18, 26, and 46. Do you think they were added by a repairman? Or is it possible that they were part of a product design change?

Oh, the paper block capacitor on the chassis right side wall is definitely an added unit. It was installed 10-10-36. I have removed that unit since this photo was taken.

Regards,

Ed
#2

Quite possible added by repairman rather than pull bakelite block to replace open cap. PL
#3

I agree. I've run across many Philco chassis this was dome to. Usually the leads coming from inside the block at cut at the terminal ends.

-Brian
If you collect or are interested in antique telephones, please visit Classic Rotary Phones
http://www.classicrotaryphones.com/forum/index.php
#4

Hi Ed

Ditto what Planigan and Brian said. Back in the old days, repairmen really couldn't rebuild bakelite blocks the way we do today because the old paper capacitors were physically larger than they are now. So it was often common practice to bridge a new paper cap across the old bakelite block. I've seen this done many times, especially where one terminal of the block has been cut off to get the old block out of the circuit! Icon_eek

--
Ron Ramirez
Ferdinand IN
#5

Thanks for the info guys. I just wanted to be sure that there was not some product design change causing these caps to be added for performance reasons. I am comfortable now that they are not. After having rebuilt the bakelite blocks and the metal filter blocks, the radio plays very well.

On a side note, I still need to rewind the primary of the RF transformer, which is open. The radio plays beautifully with the open primary bridged by a 20K resistor. In fact, I am wondering if there is anything to be gained by rewinding the primary of this transformer? I see that the later Philco 70's use an open primary with the B+ feed to the RF tube plate (shunt fed) via what appears to be an RF choke.

Ed
#6

I found the answer to my own question, lol! I spent some time on that RF coil today. I found the bottom turn (B+ side) was open. I was able to repair it by soldering it back together. Icon_biggrin

Now, as far as the performance of the radio is concerned, I noticed no difference in sensitivity or performance with the coil operating properly. I was still able to receive 740 AM Toronto in the day time on my outside wire antenna. It was the same relative signal that I had before I repaired the coil. In this case, since the open was near the bottom end of the primary, there were lots of turns available to provide sufficient coupling for the signal to transfer to the secondary. Others may not be so lucky, depending on where the break is. However, I would try that shunt feed idea again.

Regards,

Ed




Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)
[-]
Recent Posts
Plug Voltages Needed For A 1943 CRV-20130 Power Supply
That looks a lot like an aircraft connector of some kind, even if it's a U.S.N power supply. I have a book somewhere abo...Arran — 02:56 AM
Plug Voltages Needed For A 1943 CRV-20130 Power Supply
hello david, I have a similar generator in my collection that features a cast iron, single-cylinder Briggs & Stratt...radiorich — 01:00 AM
under chassis parts locator diagram for 1938 Zenith 9s262
Has anyone gone to the trouble of creating an under chassis parts locator image?  Yes, I can identify components by foll...bobloney — 08:57 PM
Plug Voltages Needed For A 1943 CRV-20130 Power Supply
Try looking at this site the book mark is for a old generator that I was given. David    https://radionerds.com/index.ph...David — 08:36 PM
Plug Voltages Needed For A 1943 CRV-20130 Power Supply
Hello Everyone, I am looking for voltage identification for all the pin positions on the socket of a CRV-20130 power su...Tonym4704 — 08:16 PM
Philco P45-6365 Universal Transformer Instruction Manual
Can anyone guide me to where this may be found?GRG — 03:00 PM
54C Complete Teardown/Rebuild
I don't think that I have encountered a 12Z3 before, curious how it uses one of those but includes a #43, which is a 25 ...Arran — 02:17 PM
HiFi (Chifi) tube amp build - but my own design.
It's the other forum. I'm also in DIY, but mostly read there. Honestly, I kinda jumped into this without much thought to...TV MAN — 10:43 AM
Philco 71 Code 125
Hello,  I am in need of a schematic for this radio. Mine has the three separate circular tube shields and a shadow me...dconant — 08:06 AM
Stromberg Carlson 1500 Squeal
And life just keeps getting more complicated.dconant — 07:57 AM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently no members online.

>