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Philco 53-958 selenium rectifier
#1

Confused again.  Icon_confused  I need to replace the selenium rectifier in this radio.  Have to drop 10V using a 1N4007.  Using the formula R = Vdrop/IDC = 10 V/0.375 A = 27 ohms.  Calculating wattage, P = V2/R = 100/27 = 3.7 watts    I have 22 ohm and 3.5 ohm resistors each 5 Watt for a total of 25.5 ohms. Close enough on resistance.  I'm not sure about the wattage. Will combining these in series work safely, or will one resistor carry too much of the current?  Thanks,  Joe

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#2

Ni Joe,

In a series circuit, current is constant. In your example, the current is 0.375A anywhere in the series circuit. If P = EI (Wattage = Voltage X Current), then, like you said, the total dissipated power through the 27 Ohms is 3.7W, However, since you have a 22 Ohm and a 3.5 Ohm resistor, the current through each is the same, but the 22 Ohm resistor will dissipate more power than the 3.5 Ohm resistor. There is absolutely no problem with the 3.5 Ohm resistor. The 22 Ohm one will dissipate more because the voltage drop across that resistor is much more than the voltage drop across the 3.5 Ohm resistor. However, you are safe. I would feel a little better if the 22 Ohm resistor was a 10 watt job but you are still OK here.

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MrFixr55
#3

What John said.

My rule of rating wattage is at least double. The smaller it is, the hotter it will get.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#4

Gentlemen,  Thank you as always!  I try to use what is to hand, and I have three 100-Ohm resistors, which will give me 33-Ohms in parallel. Resistance is close enough and
I have two 20-Watt and one 15-Watt resistors.  Now all I have to do is find room...  Thanks again,  Joe

Courage will follow when Faith takes the lead.
#5

Joe,
You could place them strategically around the chassis so they can make the chassis warm enough to keep your coffee hot.
#6

yeah, those are some sizeabe resistors.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#7

Maybe I could saw them in half and make 10 Watt resistors?  Actually, a through-hole for the wires going to the selenium will be available now.  I can use a tie-wrap hold them firm to the chassis.  Then I can place the chassis on its side and use it to keep my coffee warm.  Problem solved!  Icon_lol

Joe

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#8

Gentlemen, just a thought here. Being that this is a tube radio and tubes are fairly robust, is it worth worrying about an extra 10V B+ ? I pondered this question sometime back when restoring my Zenith AM/FM table top radio when I replaced the selenium rectifier with a silicon diode. There already was a 22 ohm resistor there to limit surge current to the first electrolytic so I basically just swapped out the selenium for a silicon diode. This radio is my daily driver in my shop and has been playing just fine for well over a year now. That extra 10V isn’t even 10% extra, well within the tolerance of what is expected on the schematic. Thoughts!!

Ron

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#9

As long as this is strictly B+, I guess it is not that bad.
However you also have to take into account the fact that the Mains voltage is higher than it used to be by up to 15V (116-124VAC vs 105-110VAC back then).
Go by the datasheet; if the resulting voltage is up about 25-30VDC from all factors combined, I would tru to bring it down as this is up to 25-30% from the previous one, meaning the same percentage of the dissipated power. While tubes will take that (they obviously were not used at the upper limit of the plate voltage), this rise in dissipated power will shorten their life.

So if it is the daily driver, that's one thing; if it is a demo unit you turn on once in a while, its another thing.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#10

Alone with adding a dropping resistor after the 1n4007 to help out the heaters change the output tube from a 35C5 to a 50C5. David
#11

I think the filaments are OK as is.

The sum of all filaments voltages plus three resistors (130 Ohms when the NTC tube saver warms up) is 124V.
Which is good for even the high end of today's AC voltage.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#12

Ron,

When FM is in the radio an extra ten volts might affect the front end. I did what you did for a Silvertone radio and the FM wouldn't come in because the B+ was too high. When I brought it back to what the schematic indicated it played fine.
#13

Given that this is basically an AC radio, and not a portable with battery tubes, I wouldn't worry too much about increased B+ voltage, however I would use two silicon diodes in series in case one of them decides to short, though the worst that may happen is destroying the filter caps if it does. If extra B+ is an issue to the FM front end you could add a dropper for the FM section, however I suspect that these sets were intended to operate over a fairly wide line voltage range. Personally I would use one of those chassis mounted resistors, or use a hollow wire wound mounted on a bolt for heat dissipation. Come to think of it you could put both the tube heaters and the B+ in series with the resistor, it would help the tubes live a bit longer, the question is what is your current power line voltage?
Regards
Arran
#14

1N4007 is a 1000V / 1A (average) diode. The chances of it shorting while conducting...what is it again it is conducting? under a 100mA? and rectifying some 14% of its Vr? - the chances are not huge.
I love this one, BTW - one of the best most usable rectifier diodes made.

People who do not drink, do not smoke, do not eat red meat will one day feel really stupid lying there and dying from nothing.
#15

And DIRT CHEAP also!!

"Do Justly, love Mercy and walk humbly with your God"- Micah 6:8
"Let us begin to do good"- St. Francis

Best Regards, 

MrFixr55




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