Welcome Guest! Be sure you know and follow the Phorum Rules before posting. Thank you and Enjoy! (January 12) x

Thread Closed
Thread Rating:
  • 1 Vote(s) - 1 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5

49-905 Mica Disease-FOUND IT!
#1

After finishing (or so I thought) my 49-905, It has now started to make a crackling noise on AM only that sounds like the dreaded Mica disease. From the schematic I don't see any mica caps inside the AM IF cans. Any ideas?
http://www.nostalgiaair.org/PagesByModel...013674.pdf
Thanks,

Eric
The Villages, FL
Member: Philco Phorum, ARF, ARCI & Radiomuseum.org

#2

C301, 302, 304 and such - gotta be micas.
#3

Thanks Morzh, I'll check them out.

Eric
The Villages, FL
Member: Philco Phorum, ARF, ARCI & Radiomuseum.org

#4

Eric, the problem is that the caps are integrated into the plastic base insulator of the transformer. They are not separately replaceable caps but more like the compression trimmers found in older style IF's. Just silver coated sheets of mica riveted to the terminals. As the plastic ages it compresses and contact is lost between the silver and the terminals.
#5

Morzh, are you saying that there ARE micas inside of those IF cans?

Eric
The Villages, FL
Member: Philco Phorum, ARF, ARCI & Radiomuseum.org

#6

They are part of the base insulator that the terminals exit from.
#7

So, short of replacing the IF can is there anything that can be done?

Eric
The Villages, FL
Member: Philco Phorum, ARF, ARCI & Radiomuseum.org

#8

Years ago I fixed one of these, by drilling out the rivet, removing the mica sheets and replacing the caps with external silver micas. It was a lot of work but it did solve the problem. I know of no other way, because any IF transformers of this type construction have or will have the problem in the future.

I believe they are referred to as K-tran IF transformers. Do a Google search and see if anyone has better solutions.

This is what they look like inside:

[Image: http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q18/b...aps/k1.jpg]
#9

Well, it looks like it is possible to repair. I do have some other cans laying around I'll swap them first and see what happens. Could the noise be from one of the mica caps in the radio or is it most likely the cans?

Eric
The Villages, FL
Member: Philco Phorum, ARF, ARCI & Radiomuseum.org

#10

If the noise is only on AM, then its probably one of the transformers. Of course it also could be a bad resistor, connection or loose tube socket, etc, but I assume you already checked the other possibilities.

If you wiggle the IF transformer and the noise changes or gets worse, then that pretty much confirms that its the problem.
#11

I saw an article just about 3 or so weeks ago, a guy wrote how he deals with SMD, I think he was working with some Transoceanic.

Just look up the Silver Mica Disease on the net, you will find it.
#12

I got it guys! I replaced the 2nd IF can with an exact replacement and the noise is gone. Icon_thumbup

I'm glad I had a replacement. I wasn't looking forward to digging in to replace the mica.

Once again the greatest radio forum on the 'net comes through.

Thanks again, Morzh and Mondial.

Eric
The Villages, FL
Member: Philco Phorum, ARF, ARCI & Radiomuseum.org

#13

I think this is what you're talking about. It is really helpful.

http://www.ppinyot.com/if_transformers.htm

Eric
The Villages, FL
Member: Philco Phorum, ARF, ARCI & Radiomuseum.org

#14

Yes Eric, this is it.
#15

Eric, don't throw that old can away. It is one of the easier ones to cut out the old mica and place new caps on the outside. Save it you may need it. Of all the cans that I repair, that type was pretty easy to get a repair style figured for it.
Don




Users browsing this thread:
[-]
Recent Posts
Philco Model 38-7: what caps & resistors do fail typically?
Since you stated earlier, you have a console 38-7XX.  They also had a 38-7T (table), and 38-7CS (chairside).  A very nic...GarySP — 01:18 PM
Part numbers to model cross
That I wouldn't know, but sometimes the radio document itself shows one, same as the capacitor cans' etc pinouts.morzh — 12:46 PM
Part numbers to model cross
Thank you morzh, that is exactly what I was looking for. Now , is there some where that shows pinouts for Philco power ...Jim Dutridge — 11:37 AM
Restoration of the Canadian General Electric A-87
Thanks for your help Michael. In fact, this video is only an intermediate result. Later I had to apply another tinting l...RadioSvit — 09:01 AM
Restoration of the Canadian General Electric A-87
Great job on the cabinet. PS. In the US notation, "kenotron" refers to specific type of tubes; we call re...morzh — 08:24 AM
Part numbers to model cross
This document has at least some tables of models and parts used. Example: Choke 32-7572, used in 604 radio. Search f...morzh — 08:19 AM
Restoration of the Canadian General Electric A-87
I also checked all the radio tubes on my Hickok 530 tube tester. The 5Z3 kenotron turned out to be faulty, all the other...RadioSvit — 08:02 AM
Restoration of the Canadian General Electric A-87
Well... While the varnish is drying up, I started repairing the chassis... Of course I started by replacing the pa...RadioSvit — 07:12 AM
Philco Model 38-7: what caps & resistors do fail typically?
Hello Martin, Welcome aboard our little community what great Model 38-7 Sincerely Richardradiorich — 12:30 AM
Philco Model 38-7: what caps & resistors do fail typically?
Welcome to the Phorum Martin. I count about 9 paper caps, the 3 electrolytic caps and 2-Y2 safety caps to replace th...RodB — 09:44 PM

[-]
Who's Online
There are currently 1312 online users. [Complete List]
» 1 Member(s) | 1311 Guest(s)
Avatar

>