[Patrick]

pat,,
i have the "other problem",,,  i like to improve on the mistakes made as a result of assembly line high production,,, you know,, when value engineering gets ahold of something that works really good... then finds ways to make it cheaper.
im not old yet,, prob wont ever get there but i do iknow i should have been dead several times,, they lost-i won

I envy you. It seems over the last 50 years or so I have lost the ability to recognize where the engineers made shortcuts in order to increase the bottom line. But other people's perspectives are certainly interesting. They actually helped me in arriving at a conclusion to my original question.

And I won't even respond to the other individual's comments because not only is it non-productive and serves no purpose, but they appear to have their own agenda: "look what I can do".

I believe this thread should conclude now.