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*Solved Minerva Tropic Master model w117 "early"-crackle pop & no vol ****SOLVED
#31

Fancy meeting you here.[Image: http://philcoradio.com/phorum/images/smi..._smile.gif]
To brush up on the jargon have a look here: http://www.bunkerofdoom.com/tube/man/
Scroll down the the RCA RC-15 manual. Study the 1st eight pages. This will give you a good
understanding of the elements inside the vacuum tube.

A lot of folks interchange the names filament and heater. Both light up but their purpose is
different. A filament acts as the cathode in what is known as a directly heated tube. This type of tube
has no separate cathode. A heater is used in an indirectly tube. It is fitted inside a small metal
tube and is isolated from the filament. That "tube" is the cathode. The heater is used to heat
the cathode so it can produce the electrons need to make the vacuum tube conduct.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#32

resistance checks done from chassis to each 6sq7 pin
*removed all tubes to help isolate the readings
**if tube needs to be in, then tell me
results
1=0/chassis
2=9.9M
3=0/chassis
4=4.5M
5=790k
6=8.3M
7=open
8=25.8ohms


now to part 2,,,, WHICH JUST NOW really sucked!,,, "disconnect pins 4 & 5 connections"
-powered up and within 10 seconds the rect tube glowed that purdy blue "ish" color
then.................
-the 25ohm resistor on the N leg of my power cord to chassis blew a hole out the side of it letting out all the air and smoke. I tried fix a flat and the hole in the resistor still remains!

this is one of those perfect examples where i need to learn exactly what i can actually disconnect and what i cant with power applied.

the bright side is yes the radio did remain silent but its a foul ball because nothing really had time to warm up yet before the smoke.

with pins 4 & 5 empty on the 6sq7, i think that allowed the rect tube and the 25ohm resistor to become the path of least resistance.

what next?
#33

You apparently grounded something, pins 4 & 5 are the detector diodes, rated for something like 1ma max.

Tom
#34

certainly seems that way but i am careful,, and did not so............

i will land things back on 5 & 4 pins of the 6sq7 and determine if i am able to get things back to the way they were.
if not.. summit delivery just happend,, Hpipe & header back exhaust setup then chip the eec and maybe a test hit this week for the coug
#35

A resistor in the heater line should not blow, reguardless what you've disconnected on other pins. Requires a major short. 

Operating, the total current draw for tube elements is roughly 70-80 ma, by far most of that is the pair of 50L6 audio outputs. The 25Z6 operating with elements in parallel can safely supply maybe 150ma, above that it's in failure mode. The purple was either a severely overloaded tube or it catastrophically failed by it's own accord. 

By chance were you using the 25Z6 that was previously overloaded?  


My Birdie is still in pieces, maybe one of these days.

Tom
#36

no clue at this point
#37

>My Birdie is still in pieces, maybe one of these days.
So is mine. Just got a gas tank for it.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#38

tom,, terry is almost a fox.... 63 falcon.

update...
yes i was at fault,, but it was over at the area called the door of the garage.
i had it open,, and i do have cats.


so........
update......

with all leads off pin 4 & 5 of the 6sq7,, the noise remains.
it took a good bit of warm up time to confirm but the noise remains. does this mean the issue is closer towards the antenna input?

or does this tell us the problem is down the ckt towards the 6sc7?
#39

do i follow the same pattern,,,,,
reconnect 6sq7,,

undo pins 3 & 4 of the second 6sk7
then reconnect if trouble remains then....

undo pins 8 & 4 of the 6sa7
then reconnect if trouble remains then...

undo pins ? and ? of the first 6sk7

or does this tell us the problem is down the ckt towards the 6sc7?

prints attached because i cant seem to make them out very well,, i could figure it out though by process of elimination


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#40

1961 but close.

When my pals were reading comic books
I was down in the basement in my dad's
workshop. Perusing his Sam's Photofoacts
Vol 1-50 admiring the old set and trying to
figure out what all those squiggly meant.
Circa 1966
Now I think I've got!

Terry
#41

OK hold on..

With volume at minimum does it still make noise??

Tom
#42

yes

static / poping takes over any vol ctl

sometimes it seems like the static starts to go away and during those moments i get get some vol change.

tone control is full on board working fine
#43

Ground pin #2 on 6SQ7, still noisy?

Tom
#44

yes= noise remains
wife issues a kill order if i dont eat,,
brb
#45

OK problem is after 6SQ7.

Tom




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